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Some Things Never Change

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Some Things Never Change
Supertramp - Some Things Never Change.jpg
Studio album by
Supertramp
Released24 March 1997
Recorded1996
StudioOcean Way Recording (Hollywood, CA)
The Backyard Studio (Encino, CA)
GenreBlues rock, progressive rock
Length65:36 (11-track version)
70:03 (12-track version)
LabelEMI
Oxygen (US)
ProducerJack Douglas, Fred Mandel
Supertramp chronology
The Very Best of Supertramp 2
(1992) 		Some Things Never Change
(1997) 		It Was the Best of Times
(1999)
Singles from Some Things Never Change
  1. "You Win, I Lose"
    Released: 28 February 1997 [1]
  2. "Listen to Me Please"
    Released: April 1997 [2]
  3. "Sooner or Later"
    Released: 1997 (NL)
For other uses, see Some Things Never Change (disambiguation).

Some Things Never Change is the tenth album by the English rock band Supertramp, released in March 1997.

Overview

Some Things Never Change represented a deliberate return to the band's earlier sound (before Free as a Bird), using more organic recording techniques than on their previous studio album.[3] John Helliwell recounted that "we recorded the album in a way that Supertramp never had and that was by all going into the studio together and doing it as a much more live thing."[4]

The album features the single "You Win, I Lose", which was a minor hit in Germany and also received considerable airplay in Canada.[5] Two more singles were released commercially: "Listen To Me Please"[6] and "Sooner or Later".[7]

The song "Live to Love You" (which was also released as a promo single[8]) features both the 'tackled' sound from the Coleco Electronic Quarterback handheld electronic game, as well as the Trouble "Pop-o-matic bubble" sounds from their 1979 hit "The Logical Song".

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Free as a Bird (album)

Free as a Bird (album)

Free as a Bird is the ninth studio album by the English rock band Supertramp, released in October 1987, and their last album of new music for A&M Records.

John Helliwell

John Helliwell

John Anthony Helliwell is an English musician, best known as the saxophonist, secondary keyboardist, backing vocalist, and occasional songwriter for the rock band Supertramp. He also served as an MC during the band's concerts, talking and making jokes to the audience between songs.

You Win, I Lose

You Win, I Lose

"You Win, I Lose" is a song by Supertramp. It is the second track on their tenth studio album Some Things Never Change. "You Win, I Lose" would also appear on Supertramp's 2005 compilation album Retrospectacle – The Supertramp Anthology.

Electronic Quarterback

Electronic Quarterback

Electronic Quarterback is a handheld electronic game made by Coleco in 1978. It is powered by a 9-volt battery or an AC adaptor, and it differentiated itself from the other similar handheld electronic American football games of the era, notably Mattel Electronics's version, by having two blockers and giving the quarterback the ability to pass.

Trouble (board game)

Trouble (board game)

Trouble is a board game in which players compete to be the first to send four pieces all the way around a board. Pieces are moved according to the roll of a die using a contained device called a "Pop-O-Matic". Trouble was developed by the Kohner Brothers and initially manufactured by Irwin Toy Ltd., later by Milton Bradley. The game was launched in America in 1965. The classic version is now marketed by Winning Moves Games USA. The gameplay, board, and concept is derivative of the British board game Ludo, itself based on the Indian board game pachisi.

The Logical Song

The Logical Song

"The Logical Song" is a song by English rock group Supertramp that was released as the lead single from their album Breakfast in America in March 1979. It was written primarily by the band's Roger Hodgson, who based the lyrics on his experiences being sent away to boarding school for ten years. The song became Supertramp's biggest hit, rising to No. 7 in the United Kingdom and No. 6 on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart. In 2001, a cover version by the band Scooter returned the song to the top 10 in several European countries.

Cover art

Rick Davies explained the concept behind the album cover: "It's something to tie in with the title. In England people have tea at four o'clock and it doesn't matter where they are or what sort of social plane they're on, they will have that tea."[3]

Reception

Professional ratings
Review scores
SourceRating
AllMusic[9]
Encyclopedia of Popular Music[10]
The Rolling Stone Album Guide[11]

AllMusic commented that the album retains the same style and strong instrumental interplay from the band's glory years, but lacks the "ingratiatingly catchy melodies" of that era, making it of strong interest to the band's fans but much less to casual listeners.[9]

Track listing

All songs written and sung by Rick Davies except where noted.

No.TitleWriter(s)Lead vocalsLength
1."It's a Hard World"  9:46
2."You Win, I Lose"  4:31
3."Get Your Act Together"  4:49
4."Live to Love You"  5:18
5."Some Things Never Change"  6:26
6."Listen to Me Please" Rick Davies and Mark Hart4:46
7."Sooner or Later"Rick Davies and Mark HartMark Hart6:50
8."Help Me Down That Road"  4:36
9."And the Light"  4:40
10."Give Me a Chance"Rick Davies and Mark HartMark Hart4:24
11."C'est What?"  8:17
12."Where There's a Will"  5:36
Total length:70:03

"Give Me a Chance" was not included on all editions of the album.[12] [13] [14]

Personnel

Supertramp

Additional personnel

Production

  • Producers: Jack Douglas, Fred Mandel
  • Executive producer: Rick Davies
  • Engineers: Ian Gardiner, Jay Messina
  • Assistant engineers: Ian Gardiner, Mike Scotella
  • Mixing assistant: Roy Clark, Brian Hargrove
  • Mastering: Bob Ludwig
  • Creative director: Richard Frankel
  • Cover art: Dimo Safari
  • Portraits: Dennis Keeley

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Rick Davies

Rick Davies

Richard Davies is an English musician, singer and songwriter best known as founder, vocalist and keyboardist of the rock band Supertramp. Davies was its only constant member, and composed some of the band's best known songs, including "Rudy", "Bloody Well Right", "Crime of the Century", "From Now On", "Ain't Nobody But Me", "Gone Hollywood", "Goodbye Stranger", "Just Another Nervous Wreck", "Cannonball", and "I'm Beggin' You". He is generally noted for his rhythmic blues piano solos and jazz-tinged progressive rock compositions and cynical lyrics.

Mark Hart

Mark Hart

Mark Hart, is an American musician and multi-instrumentalist best known for being a member of both Supertramp and Crowded House. As well as being a group member, touring and session musician for acts such as Ringo Starr, Hart has composed film scores and is a record producer.

John Helliwell

John Helliwell

John Anthony Helliwell is an English musician, best known as the saxophonist, secondary keyboardist, backing vocalist, and occasional songwriter for the rock band Supertramp. He also served as an MC during the band's concerts, talking and making jokes to the audience between songs.

Cliff Hugo

Cliff Hugo

Clifford Clyde Hugo, is the bass guitarist for the art rock band Supertramp. Hugo worked with fellow Supertramp member Carl Verheyen in the Carl Verheyen Band from '97 - 2008. He has toured the world as a member of the Ray Charles band. Hugo has worked as a session musician for other musical projects and artists, like Rick Braun, Melissa Manchester, Willie Bobo, Moacir Santos, Paul Williams, Richard Elliot, Dan Hicks, Chris O'Connel, Manhattan Transfer, Mel Martin, Peppino D’ Agostino and former US Navy SEAL singer songwriter harmonica player Curt Campbell’s The Eclectic Beast Band’s “Liquid Smoke” Album released in 2018.

Bob Siebenberg

Bob Siebenberg

Robert Layne Siebenberg also known as Bob C. Benberg, is an American musician, best known as a member of British progressive rock band Supertramp, playing drums and percussion. He was the sole American in Supertramp's lineup, joining the band in 1973. His son, Jesse, joined Supertramp at the time of the release of the live album It Was the Best of Times.

Carl Verheyen

Carl Verheyen

Carl Verheyen is an American musician best known for being the guitarist of Supertramp, the leader of the Carl Verheyen Band, and as a Los Angeles session guitarist. He was ranked One of the World's Top 10 Guitarists by Guitar Magazine and won the LA Music Awards category of Best Guitarist at their 6th annual awards ceremony. He has recorded with such artists as The Bee Gees, Dolly Parton, Victor Feldman, Richard Elliot, and Stanley Clarke and has played guitar on film soundtracks including The Crow, The Usual Suspects, Ratatouille, and Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol, and TV shows Cheers, Seinfeld, and Scrubs.

Karen Lawrence (singer-songwriter)

Karen Lawrence (singer-songwriter)

Karen Lawrence is an American singer and songwriter who has worked with the L.A. Jets (1994), Karen Lawrence and the Pinz, and Blue by Nature. She sang backup vocals on "Get It Up" from the Draw the Line by Aerosmith and sang "Back on the Streets" from the Jeff Beck album Flash.

Fred Mandel

Fred Mandel

Frederick Lawrence Mandel is a Canadian session musician, keyboard player and guitarist.

Charts

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Ultratop

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Ultratop is an organization which generates and publishes the official record charts in Belgium. Ultratop is a non-profit organization, created on the initiative of the Belgian Entertainment Association (BEA), the Belgian member organization of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. Two parallel sets of charts are concurrently produced and published, one on behalf of Belgium's mainly Dutch-speaking Flanders region, and the other catering to the nation's mainly French-speaking region of Wallonia.

RPM (magazine)

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Dutch Album Top 100

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The Dutch Album Top 100 or Album Top 100 is a weekly hit list of music albums, compiled by Dutch Charts. List shows the 100 best-selling music albums of the moment in the Netherlands. The list has passed through various name changes and has expanded from a Top 10 to a Top 100.

Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique

Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique

The National Syndicate of Phonographic Publishing is the inter-professional organisation that protects the interests of the French record industry. Originally known under the acronym SNICOP, the organisation was established in 1922 and has 48 member companies.

GfK Entertainment charts

GfK Entertainment charts

The GfK Entertainment charts are the official music charts in Germany and are gathered and published by GfK Entertainment, a subsidiary of GfK, on behalf of Bundesverband Musikindustrie. GfK Entertainment is the provider of weekly Top 100 single and album charts, as well as various other chart formats for genres like compilations, jazz, classical music, schlager, hip hop, dance, comedy, and music videos. Following a lawsuit in March 2014 by Media Control AG, Media Control® GfK International had to change its name.

Association of Hungarian Record Companies

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VG-lista

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Swiss Hitparade

Swiss Hitparade

The Swiss Hitparade is Switzerland's main music sales charts. The charts are a record of the highest-selling singles and albums in various genres in Switzerland.

UK Albums Chart

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The UK Albums Chart is a list of albums ranked by physical and digital sales and audio streaming in the United Kingdom. It was published for the first time on 22 July 1956 and is compiled every week by the Official Charts Company (OCC) on Fridays. It is broadcast on BBC Radio 1 and found on the OCC website as a Top 100 or on UKChartsPlus as a Top 200, with positions continuing until all sales have been tracked in data only available to industry insiders. However, even though number 100 was classed as a hit album in the 1980s until January 1989, since the compilations were removed this definition was changed to Top 75 with follow-up books such as The Virgin Book of British Hit Albums book only including this data. As of 2021, the OCC still only tracks how many UK Top 75s album hits and how many weeks in Top 75 albums chart each artist has achieved.

Official Charts Company

Official Charts Company

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Certifications and sales

Region Certification Certified units/sales
France (SNEP)[31] 2× Gold 200,000*
Germany (BVMI)[32] Gold 250,000^
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[33] Gold 50,000^
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[34] Platinum 50,000^
Summaries
Worldwide — 900,000[35]

* Sales figures based on certification alone.
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone.

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List of music recording certifications

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Music recording certifications are typically awarded by the worldwide music industry based on the total units sold, streamed, or shipped to retailers. These awards and their requirements are defined by the various certifying bodies representing the music industry in various countries and territories worldwide. The standard certification awards given consist of Gold, Platinum, and sometimes Diamond awards, in ascending order; the UK also has a Silver certification, ranking below Gold. In most cases, a "Multi-Platinum" or "Multi-Diamond" award is given for multiples of the Platinum or Diamond requirements.

Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique

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The National Syndicate of Phonographic Publishing is the inter-professional organisation that protects the interests of the French record industry. Originally known under the acronym SNICOP, the organisation was established in 1922 and has 48 member companies.

Bundesverband Musikindustrie

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The Bundesverband Musikindustrie, or simply BVMI, represents the music industry in Germany. The association represents the interests of nearly 280 labels and music industry related enterprises, which comprise 90% of the music industry.

Productores de Música de España

Productores de Música de España

Productores de Música de España is the national organisation responsible for the music charts of Spain. It is a trade association that represents more than 90% of the Spanish recorded music industry. It is the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) group for Spain. Promusicae is based in Madrid, Spain at Calle María de Molina, 39.

International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) is the organisation that represents the interests of the recording industry worldwide. It is a non-profit members' organisation registered in Switzerland and founded in Italy in 1933 by Francesco Braga. It operates a secretariat based in London, with regional offices in Brussels, Hong Kong, Miami, Abu Dhabi, Singapore and Nairobi.

Source: "Some Things Never Change", Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation, (2023, March 20th), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Things_Never_Change.

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Further Reading

Supertramp

Rick Davies

Breakfast in America

Crime of the Century (album)

Crisis? What Crisis?

Even in the Quietest Moments...

Paris (Supertramp album)

...Famous Last Words...

Brother Where You Bound

Free as a Bird (album)

Slow Motion (Supertramp album)

The Autobiography of Supertramp

Retrospectacle – The Supertramp Anthology

The Logical Song

Take the Long Way Home (Supertramp song)

It Was the Best of Times

The Very Best of Supertramp 2

Carl Verheyen
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